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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 6, 2010 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

yes that's interesting, I definitely picture it starting in January.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 6, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Hardly ever think of the year that way, just as cycles... for me, it's just a river carrying me down. roll, roll, roll.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 6, 2010 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

which reminds, the 8/6/71 rendition of brokedown palace was the first one that truly endeared me to the song. somehow it's magic doesn't really come across on american beauty... perhaps it's gotta be performed live to have the honesty that the lyrics call for.

i remember after hearing the applause after this one on the aud: "god damn! they brought the f**king HOUSE down!!!"

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 7, 2010 1:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

I never really got into American Beauty -- or Workingman's Dead, either. If that's all I'd heard, I'm sure I wouldn't have "gotten it" about the Dead at all. In retrospect, of course, those are amazing collections of songs; but I can see why people who are only exposed to the studio versions -- particularly now, so many years later -- don't see what's so exciting about the band.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Yikes! My first era appropraite post in months to say "strike this post from the record!" (har, har...but seriously).

I have had the exact opposite experience. EG, the two brothers I've told everyone about, that loved CREAM so much more than the DEAD live and all? All their friends....their distant cousins? Well, you get the idea; they actually talked about how the DEAD had finally gotten some where, finally arrived, finally produced something worth buying and listening to: WDEAD, followed later that yr by Am Beauty...they said they still wouldn't go see them ever again, but they loved what they had turned into...

In my experience, the ONLY way to win over a person, when I was practicing of course, was to play something from those two albums...I'd never start with live material...

Just saying, kid. And kiddo. And the sherpas...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 7, 2010 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Hi WT , how are you doin' ?
I must confess that American Beauty , is a beauty , but she never was quite my type . Operator always gets to me . Box & Attics the same . But not in my first two favs .
Workingmans is my fav , by far , Anthem coming in second ( for studio albums , I'm not sure where that puts Skullfuck b/c of it's enhancements ).
The best GD converter , cd wise , for me has been Reckoning . A few crazies have chosen the thrill ride part of 6 - 24 - 70 ( " this acoustic crap is too slow , man " ) , but they were also enhanced at the time if memory servers me correctly .
Don't you love breaking out a '68 , '69 when you hear the ' too slow ' line ?
Hope everything is copacetic in Tell land .

edit - I almost forgot - WT , a GD post !

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-08-07 14:01:04

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Hanging in there, hanging in there...finally rained a bit out here, which we dearly needed.

Well, my observation was they never viewed the live material as "polished" enough, and that the vocals, of course not our boys strong suit, made it that much worse...and that "fast, rock and roll!" request (or say, "high energy") could be easily met with the first album.

And, then of course, if the strength of the lyrics (ie, is it really significant stuff, does it really say something to you) couldn't be topped, IMHO, and those that I tried to convert, by the two from 1970.

So, putting that all together, I really found that you need go no further than 67-70, studio albums, to see if the party in question was going to succumb to your "you HAVE to love this band as I do...or at least grasp why I do" pitch...

I would've thought anything past 75 studio or live, would have been way down the list for trying to win someone over, but maybe I don't give the youngsters of today enough credit for discerning something of value (but of course, it is just my bias coming thru since I see much less value in that material...besides, hard to do if you don't have it on hand, eh?).

To finally answer your question, if my first attempt "took" (ie, I had them interested), then by all means I moved quickly to nothing but live shows, esp DPs and now RTs material...but to be honest, most would respond with "ahem...you can stop now...this is the same stuff, with some jams thrown in, that isn't as good as what you started me on" and that would be the end of it.

Seriously--I may have been very bad at it, but of roughly 30-40 people I've done this with over the past 35 yrs in a sustained fashion, I'd say they told me to stop (!) after one or two live shows, and said they only really cont'd listening to the early studio "hits" or complete albums I'd sent...Now, it's the complete opposite of that for anyone that already liked the DEAD. They just wanted the live stuff, and were very impressed with the early era gems I'd send along.

But I was working from the assumption that the person in question was a complete novice.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 7, 2010 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

We are a self selected group , not only here , but in general. We all really , really like licorice . We are a tiny tribe that's turned on to the music , and all that flows form that raging river . It even breaks down into language patterns and syntax .
You have Reckoning . Right ?


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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 7, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1971

Nope; stopped picking em up after GotoHeaven and HeavenHtFool...hmmm, just realized the similarity there in the titles...never did before...anyhow, was that 80? 79? can't recall...the next were the live ones from 80, right? NY & SF...did have some bootleg tapes of those shows, but I "quit" in 82, and thus, don't have anything after the white album with the cheesey white suits and all...you know, the one with Althea, speak of the Devil...at least I think I am right about that...they are all stored away now as we discussed a few days ago.